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          Registration Protocols Extensions (REGEXT)
          IETF 110 online
          Co-chairs: Jim Galvin, Antoin Verschuren
          Mailing list: regext@ietf.org
          Notes: Alex Mayrhofer
          Tuesday, March 9, 2020 16:00-18:00 UTC, Meetecho
          Welcome and Introductions (4 minutes)
              i. Jabber scribe
              ii. Notes scribe
              iii. NOTE WELL
              iv. Document management
              v. Special attention document shepherds
          Published (1 minute)
              Registry Data Escrow Specification
              Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP) Query Parameters for Result
              Sorting and Paging
              Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP) Partial Response
              Status of existing work in Progress (RFC Editor, IESG, AD evaluation)
              (5 minutes)
              Domain Name Registration Data (DNRD) Objects Mapping (RFC Editor)
          Publication imminent
              7482bis and 7483bis (RFC Editor)
              Upgrade to Full Internet Standard imminent, probably mid April. 7484
              has some errata, but will move along with the others.
              NOTE: RFC’s 7480 and 7481 Will also be elevated to Full Internet
              Standard without errata:
              EPP Secure Authorization Information for Transfer (IESG review,
              new version submitted)
              EPP Unhandled Namespaces (RFC editor)
          Existing work. (10 minutes)
          i. Registry Maintenance Notifications for EPP (Sattler/Carney/Kolker?)
          Was taken back from WGLC for too narrow consensus. No presentation for
          this meeting.
              Jim is document shepherd, will look into that issue. Haven’t
              figured out what to propose to the WG. Antoin: Should get support
              before we advance it.
              Jody Kolker: Have been working with Jim Gould on this, feel we have
              addressed all concerns (except version number).
              Antoin: We need support from non-authors during the WGLC for calling
              out concensus.
              Jim Gould: Thanks to the authors, they have addressed my feedback.
              Antoin: If others read it, we can advance to 2nd WGLC
          ii. Simple Registration Reporting (Joseph Yee/James Galvin?)
              Jim: will take it to the mailing list to get feedback
          iii.Federated Authentication for the Registration Data Access Protocol
          (RDAP) using OpenID Connect
              Antoin: Waiting for decisions within ICANN to see whether we need
              changes here.
              Scott Hollenbeck: Private comment from Tom Harrison received,
              therefore at least one edit to make.
              Antoin: Takes time/slot in WG
              Alex Mayrhoifer: Have written an RDAP server that uses Bearer Token,
              will review doc in relation to this.
          iv. Using JSContact in RDAP JSON Responses (Mario Loffredo/Gavin Brown?)
              Mario Loffredo: We're waiting for the WG adoption to move doc
              forward. Will provide an update for next meeting.
          Existing work presentations. (40 minutes)
          i. RDAP Reverse search capabilities (Mario Loffredo, 20 minutes)
              Mario Loffredo presenting
              says a fully GDPR compatible reverse search implementation is possible
              PII in Request URLs - better use POST, but not considered in RDAP
              Jim Reid: What would be the purpose of a legal person to review the
              doc? Is the IETF in that position - sanity check OK, but would be
              problematic to go beyond that point. Especially considering registries
              are in different legislations.
              Mario: nobody in the WG has a legal background. Sees requirements
              from legal perspectives. Lot of discussion is about privacy concerns.
              Antoin: Doc is very far along, we only want to get the Privacy
              Considerations Section done.
              Marc Blanchet: GDPR is only one, governments will do it “their
              own way”. Going to be a rathole. Otherwise won’t ever finish
              that discussion.
              Antoin: agree, but this document is the first where we aggregate data.
              Ulrich Wisser: Impressed by Mario’s work on this. All that Mario
              has found out should be documented in the Privacy section, and
              implementors can go to their local lawyers - Thank you Mario!
              Barry Leiba: Highlighting what Jim Reid said: We take comments from
              whoever comments, have they a legal background or not. But actively
              seeking legal feedback is probably not within the scope of IETF. Keep
              “legal review” out of this.
              Jim Galvin: (individual!) Doc stalled because of the privacy
              consideration. Focusing more on the technical side: Concerned about
              the “directionality” (as in “reverse search”) - prefers the
              document as “expanding” search. Also, maybe remove text about
              specific elements - should be extensible. Will raise those questions
              on the mailing list.
              Rich Wilhelm: Fit to registry/registrar model? registrars are
              authoritative for the data - opportunity to simplify document?
              Antoin: Difference between thin/thick registries. RDAP is also for
              RIR's and other registries without registrars, not just IACNN domain
              registries model.
              Jim Reid: Mario did great job at enumerating issues. We need to draw
              a line under it at some point “this is the knowledge of the WG at
              this point in time - if you need more, consult your local lawyers” -
              and avoid the ratholing.
              Antoin: If there’s consensus on the mailing list, we can proceed!
              Scott Hollenbeck: If some searches have same properties as some
              in 7482, “reverse” is more about relationship searches - and
              relationships might not be exposed. distinction is maybe important.
          ii. Finding the Authoritative Registration Data (RDAP) Service (Marc
          Blanchet, 20 Minutes)
              Marc Blanchet presenting, describes the individual errata.
              Please send implementation reports to Marc!
              Alex: Simple enough, please go ahead with the doc as proposed!
          New work and requests for adoption presentations (20 minutes)
          i. Use of Internationalized Email Addresses in EPP protocol (Dmitry
          Belyavsky, 20 Minutes)
              Dmitry presenting.
              Asks for the document to be accepted as WG item.
              Ulrich: Thinks that the placeholder is problematic.
              Alex: Appreciates that no extension is proposed anymore. For the
              pure namespace registration, registration would probably be possible
              without RFC.
              James Gould: This is a new form of extension that “overrides”
              existing element. Placeholder text is the biggest issue for the WG.
              Antoin: Please send a formal request to chairs for adoption, chairs
              will send out poll.
          Milestones review (5 minutes)
              Scott: in ICANN RDAP pilot work, there were OpenID implementations
          (EAI document not yet added, will be done if adopted)
              Barry handing over working group to Murray as the new responsible
              AD. Thank you very much Barry!!
              Alex: Some non-policy / non-controversial topics could be handled
              faster/quicker, also focuse subgroups work well.
              Jim Galvin: Takeaway: make milestones more visible, we rarely did
              that, but now we got a lots of docs out of the door.
          Meeting concludes at 17:49 UTC

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